SUCCESSION PLANNING WEBINAR
~ JANUARY 19, 2010 ~
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Hi. This is Carolyn Phillips,
and I've got with me Trish Redmon. We are very excited
that y'all are with us today.
We're going to be talking about a very, very
important subject, which is succession planning.
This is a topic that I care deeply about. I have
actually worried about this in many different areas of my
life for years.
I think that one of the best things we can do for
our programs to be sustainable -- and that's why it is a
key to sustainability -- is planning for the future and
planning for what happens whenever something changes.
Depending upon where you are in your leadership, you know,
figuring out who is going to replace you, who is going to
replace that technician and what have you.
Before we get too far along in this topic area, I
would love -- Caroline Van Howe is with us today.
And I would love it, Caroline, if you could just
give us a little tour of our system here.
CAROLINE VAN HOWE: Thank you, Carolyn and Trish.
I'd be happy to.
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CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Thank you, Caroline. We really
appreciate you joining us and walking us through those
important tips of how to navigate the webinar system. We
really do appreciate that.
And I also wanted to remind everybody, we are going
to be offering CEU credits. And we're excited about that.
Actually, that's in collaboration with ATIA that turned us
on to the AAC Institute.
Thank you again, Caroline, for turning us on to
them.
And we've developed a relationship with them, and
that's how we're actually able to give out CEUs.
And I was wondering, Liz, if you had anything that
you wanted to add as far as how people can obtain the CEUs.
I know you've provided information, but I just want to make
sure that people have an opportunity to have that
addressed.
LIZ PERSAUD: Hopefully everyone can hear me. This
is Liz with the Pass It On Center.
If you are interested in obtaining CEUs, just visit
the aacinstitute.org website and click on their "CEU
Information" tab. And once you go on there, you'll be able
to find a list of all the Pass It On Center webinars.
Click on this title. And they'll lead you, from that point
on, on instructions on how to get your CEU information
submitted to them.
And we also have it posted on the Pass It On Center
website.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Excellent. Thank you.
And I did just receive a little e-mail telling me
that the mic is too close to my mouth. So I have moved it
back a little bit. So let me know if that sounds better.
Caroline, it sounds like you think it sounds
better. So hopefully it does.
Okay. As I said, we have Trish Redmon with us
today. Trish is invaluable to the success of the Pass It
On Center.
If you like what the knowledge base is producing as
far as content, you can thank Trish Redmon. She has really
produced amazing quality when it comes to content and has
done a great job in creating some PowerPoints for us.
This is one that she did develop actually all by
herself, and she did a great job. And so I'm thrilled that
she's actually sitting here with me today. And we'll be
going through this together with you.
This webinar Succession Planning, as I said, very
important topic.
I find that a lot of times we're talking about
sustainability and sustainability of our reuse programs and
other programs that we're working with. But we don't
really talk about succession planning. And there really is
a space that we need to carve out to have this discussion
because it's such an important one.
A lot of times people think that, when we're saying
succession planning, that we're really just talking about
executive directors or directors, CEOs, what have you.
But actually this crosses, you know, across to that
very talented technician that you've got working with you,
that volunteer that is just outstanding and what would you
do without that volunteer, and the person who is actually
helping you with your data or answering the phone, and
really figuring out what is the plan for when that person
either gets another job, moves on, what have you.
So this is also important. We want to point out
that this is our first -- not lecture -- it's a webinar
workshop. And so we want you to know that we see this as
an interactive activity.
You can -- at the very bottom of the PowerPoint
screen right here, it says "Download the webinar working
package" from our Pass It On Center address. So it's
passitoncenter.org/content.
And then it's right there. And we'll actually show
that to you in just a few minutes so that you can actually
see where that is. And actually, I'll go ahead and paste
it right now, and we'll go there so that everybody sees
where that is.
So it says "New to the knowledge base." And then
right underneath it it says "Succession Planning as a Key
Sustainability" and -- "Strategy."
So that's where you would actually click on that.
And then you can download it from that site right there.
So I'm going to go back to our presentation. And
as you heard earlier, this presentation will be on our
website -- on the Pass It On Center website -- with a
transcript and the PowerPoint within three weeks. We're
excited that Kimberly does that great work for us.
And thank you, Kimberly, for doing that.
We've got some learning objectives that we would
like to share with you. And we're going to be weaving in
experiences as we go throughout this talk today. But here
are some things that we definitely -- tangible that we want
you to understand and to walk away with.
So the learning objective is to understand the
purpose of succession planning. Why do we even care about
this? Why is it important? So we're going to talk about
that.
We're also going to identify key positions that you
need to think about when you're thinking about succession
planning or the continuation of your program.
We're going to perform a gap analysis and talk
about how that works. And then also we're going to
hopefully help you walk through how to design a development
plan.
So as we said, the worksheets for this webinar are
on the knowledge base. And we do see this as a workshop.
We would like your feedback. If you like this
format, we would like to do more of this in the future. So
please let us know if this does work.
So Trish, is there anything you'd like to add right
now?
All right. So we'll move on to the next. Great.
The definition for succession planning. We can
define this many different ways. A lot of us, as we look
at nonprofits that we thought were really great and they
have fallen by the wayside, one way to define it is that
they didn't have a succession plan.
When we see companies that are for profit that
either, you know, haven't come up with a way to pass their
business on to the next generation or they haven't really
built any depth so that it can succeed without that
individual, that's a way to define -- you know, what
happened there? They didn't have a succession plan.
So those are real-life experiences. I've seen all
of those things happen.
A lot of times, whenever I'm on an advisory council
or a board, I am often -- that's one of my first questions:
"What's our succession plan? Who's going to be in charge?
Who's going to help make sure that this project -- if it's
that important that we're meeting and we're investing our
time -- which is the most valuable thing that we have --
and our resources, how we make sure it continues and it
lives beyond us, if you will."
So succession planning. Here's a definition: It's
a subset of workforce planning in which critical positions
are targeted and staff are prepared to qualify for the
targeted positions.
So it's pretty much just making sure that you have,
you know, targeted people; and you know what staff
positions need to be replaced; and you also have started
working on preparing folks, you know, that they qualify for
this; that you don't just say, "Well, here's the person I
think -- because I like, you know, the way they dress," or,
"Gosh, you know, they showed up today. So you're my
succession plan."
I've actually met people that that was their
succession plan: whoever showed up on time. And I'm like,
Woo, I don't know if that's the best approach.
Sometimes a succession plan is called building
bench strength. If you think back to, you know, I guess
sports analogies. So building bench strength. You know,
who do you have on the bench that could come in at any
moment. Or building depth. And I would say that actually
both of those apply. No doubt about it.
And as we said, sometimes it's that technician that
is as important as that CEO. And it's a matter of
determining what positions.
I know, when we were first starting the ReBoot
program, they could have easily done without me some days,
really and truly. But they could not do without the person
who is sitting there repairing those computers. So that's
the position that I cared the most about.
You know, I could go away, and I have gone away,
and it's lived beyond me. But it's really about those
other positions and how important they really are. So we
want you to think beyond the big position, the ones with
all the visibility, if you will.
So why do we do this? What's the purpose here?
Succession planning is -- it is a key to sustaining the
reuse program -- or any program, but we're talking about
reuse, so reuse program -- because it ensures that the most
important assets are present.
Human resources with the knowledge and skills --
and I would even add abilities -- to accomplish the
mission. And that really does take planning. And I would
encourage you, if you don't know -- if you're not training
people right now to take your place, then I would encourage
you to start thinking that way so you have an idea of who
do you need to start investing your knowledge -- you know,
parting your knowledge to, giving -- you know, building
skills, getting confidence behind this person.
And the goal is to avoid a personnel gap that
diminishes or delays service to customers. Honestly, I've
been on some boards, and I've been working with some
programs, that obviously is one of the first questions I
ask: "What is our succession plan?"
But the next question that I have is, you know, "If
you don't have a succession plan, then, you know, how do we
have confidence?"
You know, I think that it also sometimes makes
people lose confidence in your abilities to continue to
provide services. So that's very important.
I think there's also a stress that a lot of people
feel if they don't know that you're already thinking in
this way.
And I think even just talking about it, putting it
out on the table and saying, "Hey, let's talk about
succession planning. What are your thoughts?" That opens
the door and I think builds confidence and eases some
anxiety that could be out there.
So succession planning. Once again, I love the
visuals here that Trish has developed. I am such a visual
person, so I appreciate this.
So there are four benefits, if you will. And
here -- I'm going to go through these.
The first one, "It strengthens the program's
capacity for long-term sustainability." There are people
that joked about Conan -- I guess it was Conan O'Brien who
in 2005 was named as "Tonight Show" host, and then I think
he's only lasted seven months, unfortunately. But it was a
succession plan, right? But it's planning that long-term
sustainability.
Number two -- that's actually probably a bad
example.
But number two, "Ensures smooth transition in
change of leaders or key employees."
Number three, "It affords development opportunities
for staff and board members." I think it also points
people in a direction as to, you know, what are the gaps
here. Not just once you get people kind of designated, but
what are the skills gaps. You know, how can we target this
person's training? How can we mold in this person in some
ways to really take this -- you know, the organization, the
program, not just keep it going but maybe even grow it.
And then number four, "It serves as an indicator of
program health to potential donors." I've actually seen on
application sheets before for grants and for people who
have foundations that, if they really want to invest in
you, do you have a succession plan. I've seen that. And I
think it should actually be there a lot more.
So creating a succession plan is not usually the
highest priority on the list. There's so many demands on
people's time and especially on the leadership. But it
really should be.
The plan, it brings together the individual
personnel development goals, and it really brings
everything together so that it's -- and it's also based --
it helps you kind of develop things so that it's based on
the need of your organization and the need of the people in
order to keep things going smoothly.
The other thing, honestly, is that the reuse
programs are so valuable. And we're learning that more and
more as time progresses.
But also, as the economy continues to go the way
that it's been going, we're seeing in some reuse programs
an increase of 40 percent, you know, as far as people
coming to the door and saying, "I need your help." Also
with, you know, all these things happening with emergency
response.
So having that plan and knowing what's going to
happen long term, I think that more and more we're seeing
where the reuse programs are an integral part of people
with disabilities continuing to get the AT that they need.
Some of the challenges to tackling the issue for
leadership -- there are quite a few of them. For example,
no anticipated change in the near future. I was raised
with the saying that you can never tell the future. You
know, don't plan -- you know, you can plan for tomorrow,
but don't count on it.
And I think that a lot of us forget that. We get
into that idea of, Oh, this is going to last forever; I'm
always going to be around; everything's going to be fine.
And that doesn't always happen.
So the absence of obvious candidates for
development, that can also be a challenge. If you don't
have anybody in particular in mind, that doesn't mean that
you can't acknowledge that these specific positions need to
have a succession plan for them, and here's some of the
training that needs to be involved in that, and then start
figuring out where would you find these people. You know,
who would you look to to help you out in finding and
identifying the people?
An attempt to do plan leadership succession might
highlight issues. I think that a lot of people do get
sensitive about that.
I just read an Eckhart Tolle book, and it was
amazing because this came up several times where people
do -- they're kind of blind to some of their own
weaknesses, and they don't want to hear about their
weaknesses.
And I'm often telling my team, "I'm full of
weaknesses. I failed my way to success. So tell me where
we need to grow." But apparently that's not everybody's
idea of a conversation for leadership. But really and
truly it should be.
So where are the gaps and being honest about that.
Do you have inadequate resources? Do you have low
compensation? Are you paying what somebody else would be
paying in the same city, in the next city over, in a
comparable city in a different state?
Is the job overwhelming? Is the person that's
doing that job actually doing three jobs? And we've seen
that where it is hard to plan for succession if you've got
somebody doing three jobs and not getting paid enough.
Also insecurity of the incumbent. And Trish made a
quote in parenthesis, "Not any of us!" So we're not
pointing our fingers. But I think there is often that
insecurity that comes in. And it's important that we just
be honest about, you know, where we are in our own
development.
So it's important that we tackle these issues.
Trish was telling me an interesting story about her
brother.
And do you mind sharing that for just a moment?
TRISH REDMON: I have a brother who's built a very
successful business with two partners over the years. His
plan was to make a lot of money and retire early.
Well, he built a successful business. He's made a
lot of money. One of his partners has walked away and
retired. So now he owns a half of a business, not a third
of it.
And he has four daughters, none of whom have
demonstrated any interest in owning a high-voltage
electrical contracting firm. Nor has his partners had any
family members interested. And they haven't bothered to
find an employee or an interested party.
So they're facing, in the next couple of years,
either simply closing the doors or trying to sell this
business in a very bad economy.
So this is a great example of a lack of succession
planning for a profitable business. And I'm sure this is
true, even more the case, in a lot of small nonprofits who
are resource challenged.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: I think that's a really good
story. And it makes me want to get in touch with your
brother and try to help him out.
But the thing is is I think a lot of us are in that
situation or have been in that situation. And we want to
help you move beyond that because obviously we're invested
in the resource programs surviving, and not just surviving
but thriving.
So planning for leadership succession. Once again,
four steps that we want you to consider. And these steps
we want you to think about whether you're a nonprofit or a
government agency.
If you're a nonprofit you have to go through
different steps in some ways because the board of directors
needs to be involved. If you're with a government agency,
then clearly you would need, you know, some support from
higher up within your agency; otherwise, that probably
wouldn't go over well.
But in any case, here's some steps for you to think
about.
So consider the short-term interim and permanent
replacement situations with the board and the council --
your board, council, leadership, what have you. So what
does it look like if you're gone for a day or a month,
three months. What does that look like? Or if that
person's pulled out, how does that affect, you know, the
flow of your program? How does it affect people getting
your equipment or picking up donations or getting computers
repaired or DME repaired?
Step two, identify the candidates for each of the
three circumstances.
So who is your short-term person? Who can step in
for that day, that week? Who can step in for the interim,
you know, if it's three months that somebody's out? Who
can step in and handle that? And if it's a long-term or
permanent replacement that you're looking at, who can step
in? Who would be a good candidate for that?
So I would have in mind those three different
scenarios.
Number three, defining the training opportunities
in critical skill areas and competencies for the
candidates. For example, I'm not so sure that, if
somebody -- there's a lot of importance to cross-training.
I really believe that, and I think that a lot of us know
that within the AT reuse community.
I feel like I could do any number of things within
an AT reuse program, and I know you could too. But what
are those critical skills?
Does that person know how to clean casters? Do
they know how to connect a battery appropriately to a
motorized wheelchair? Do they know how to even do
something as simple as copy hard drives in a legal way?
And what are those skills, and how do you get that
information to those people?
Step four, formalize the plan in writing and
communicate it to staff. That's very important that people
know that this is actually written down.
I think Jessica Brodey would actually take it
another level and say make sure that you've got this plan
written down and actually lots of copies of it in safe
places. Because that's something else that ends up
happening is people will say like, "Oh, gosh. I think we
worked on that plan, but we don't know where it is." So
make sure that you educate people about your plan.
Our next slide talks about differing circumstances
so the different circumstances that, you know, you need to
consider for developing a backup for the program leader.
So ordinary absences, a day or two, could be, you
know, considered a caretaker. And so we'll talk about that
in just a second. But there are other ones that you want
to think about.
Sustainable programs have consistent leadership,
not gaps from lack of planning. A decision maker should be
available at all times. Who can sign the checks if a check
needs to be signed? Who's the backup person for the checks
and, you know, to be able to sign the checks? Who can have
access to the banking account? Who can hire people, and
who can let go of folks if they need to be let go of?
Who can write out donation thank you letters? You
know, that's something that normally one person is able to
do. And have y'all designated who that person is?
So a caretaker for planned, brief absences:
business trip, day off, ordinary illness.
I was actually talking to one of our independent
living center directors not long ago, and she literally has
not had a day off in three years. Three years.
And I said, "Why haven't you had a day off?"
And she said, "Nobody can do this."
And I'm like, "Yes, they can. Yes, they can. If
they can't, then, you know, you need to give them the
opportunity. You need to take care of yourself, and you
also need to just plan for these absences."
So a capable interim director for longer absences:
the vacations, the longer conferences, extended family
emergencies, major illnesses. And then a competent backup
for transition.
Do y'all have any questions right now? Feel free
to put a question in the public-chat area.
And I got your message, Mary. Thank you very much.
All right. So identifying the candidates. I would
start with candidates -- and I think Trish would too -- who
have expressed some interest in leadership.
This may surprise you. It's amazing to me whenever
I'm like, "Who wants to take the lead on this?" And people
I would not have necessarily designated raise their hand.
And I'm like, "Yes." It's so good to have people step up.
There are other folks that you would expect to want
to embrace the leadership role, and they may not want to.
So it could be board members. It could be key employees.
It could be that volunteer that you, you know, are just
getting to know.
Permanent replacement of the leader is a board or
agency-leader decision. But continuing the program is the
responsibility of the leader and the advisory group,
whoever that is.
So it doesn't have to be a charismatic leader, you
know, somebody who embraces that whole mission and it
depends on one person. You should think about the people
who are being served by the program.
There's a program that we were working with that --
they were looking for somebody who was going to be able to
continue their program. And it's a reuse program.
And sure enough, they just put out a call, and a
volunteer said, "Hey, I'd love to do this."
And they have raised more money in the past two
years than they did for the last six years, even during
this economy. So that's pretty amazing. And once again,
it was just about asking.
Exercise leadership. Think about replacements, and
initiate the discussion with the appropriate parties. Very
important.
We'd also encourage you to being a project-driven
organization rather than a person-driven organization. So
project-driven.
This affords more opportunities in all kinds of
roles, including leadership roles. So introduce the idea
of coaching and mentoring. We can get some resources to
you if you need to know what those are.
If you don't know what mentoring is, that's one of
my favorite things is actually mentoring people and then
also having a mentor myself. It's amazing how much you can
learn by having that individual attention.
So once again, looking at it from a project-driven
way and developing -- integrating coaching and mentoring
into your plan.
Creating opportunities for would-be leaders to
interact with the board, with donors, and with customers
that you have.
Involving leadership candidates in budgeting,
planning, decision making. It's amazing to me. Sometimes
people that you think, "Gosh, you know, they would be the
best leader," may not be able to make a decision quickly,
and that may stall your program. So giving somebody --
kind of trying this person out, if you will.
Leave someone in charge when you're away, just like
we said earlier. And identify the formal webinars,
opportunities, courses, seminars so that the person can
grow and the individuals can grow.
So the plan. Talking about this plan. And as we
move more toward the worksheets, I hope that y'all did
download those worksheets. I'm going to give you the
address one more time for some of the folks that might have
come on a little bit later. You can go there to our
website and download the succession-planning-workshop
worksheets.
So the plan. You formalize the leadership, you
know, get the board approval; share the development plan
with major donors and supporters.
Once again, a lot of foundations are looking for
that kind of leadership. They want to know that you've got
a bigger plan. Some people will actually ask to see it.
There's one group that I'm familiar with that we've
worked with that they actually had their next executive
director for a year just shadowing. And it really made a
difference in the long-term sustainability of this reuse
program.
And once again, it also builds I guess more
confidence in the organization. And I think it also builds
more, I guess, community around that group because then
they know for sure who their next leader is going to be.
Tie leadership succession planning to key employee
succession planning so that it's really perceived as part
of the mission. And that's another thing that you can
actually do.
The key to employee succession planning -- and this
is what we were talking about before. Because a lot of
times people think, "Oh, it's just about the leaders."
Not necessarily. There are times that I would
absolutely make sure that you have that technician
succession planning, that you have already got an idea of
who your next people are going to be that are going to fill
those roles.
Who's going to be that person that delivers your
equipment? Who's going to be that person that matches
equipment? Those are all very important positions and also
very skilled positions.
So people often -- they end up doing the work
quickly. A lot of times people say, "Oh, there's no time
for training. There's no money for training." And I would
say sometimes that's true, unless you can plan for it.
There's no readily available resources for the
training needed. Once again, I think that a lot of people
have started sending their folks to the Pass It On Center
webinars and said, "Hey, sit down and look at all the
webinars." Feel free to do that. That's not a problem.
And then also a lack of commitment. It's not easy
to do this kind of training and also this kind of planning.
But once again, it's very important.
So what we're going to do is we're going to walk
through the process for key employees and for the
succession planning for key employees.
The first step is, once again, identify the key
positions. And you are the only one who really knows what
the key positions are for your specific organization, your
reuse group.
Assess the bench strength, if you will. Looking
around and, you know, who have you got? Who could step in
if that person goes on vacation? Who could step in if the
person, you know, has an injury and needs to be on medical
leave for three months or what have you?
If your mind doesn't immediately go to somebody,
and you're sitting there a little nervous, that's okay.
That's why we're talking about it now.
Perform that gap analysis. Where are the gaps in
your organization? And this is just to help you in
general. It really is a healthy exercise for you to go
through to see, Well, where are our gaps if everybody's in
place, and where are gaps if we lose somebody?
And then devise these development strategies.
And track your progress. It's important to be able
to say, you know, this is where we were today, January
19th, 2010, and we plan to have a succession plan in place
by 2011, January 19th.
And see how far you come. What positions have you
identified? What have you developed? And where are you
moving forward with this plan? And share that with folks
so that they know that you're actually thinking about it.
We've got the worksheets that I've referred to a
few times. And they're going to help us organize the
planning process and get us thinking. But the final plan
may be very simple. It could be just a one-page document.
I am going to turn this over to Trish, and she's
going to walk us through some more of this.
And, once again, Trish, you did a great job on
pulling this together. So here you go, Trish.
TRISH REDMON: Thank you, Carolyn.
Carolyn's very adept at webinars. So I hope you'll
put comments if I'm not holding the mic in the proper place
or you can't hear appropriately.
I would tell you that in 1998 I had my ultimate
challenge for succession planning. I had taken over the IT
department of a major newspaper that was about three
generations behind in technology. And we had to replace
every system for 450 users before Y2K hit.
And I had about three people with skills to even
begin to support the whole new environment. So my
challenge was to build a staff that was three deep in about
two years.
And I did this with a sense of desperation,
identifying all the training they needed, you know, what
skills we needed in the department. And I had all this
plan reduced to a single page when the external auditors
from Deloitte & Touche showed up and asked me to give them
the plan for how I was going to accomplish this.
And so I had to produce my single page with a lot
of trepidation. And they said, "Oh, a comprehensive
succession plan." So I was thrilled.
So I want you to know that, even though we have
four worksheets, you can wind up with one page, and it will
do everything you need to do. We're just going through
some worksheets to make it simpler for you to understand
the thought process.
And we've already talked about the first step. So
step one is to identify which positions in your
organization are key positions.
Now, to be honest, we know that in a reuse
organization, this is probably every position that you have
because you never have enough resources.
If we look at some of the org charts for
organizations, they're completely staffed with fractions of
people, partial FTEs and a lot of volunteers.
But all of those people are key to your success and
to accomplishing the mission. So we still need to go
through the thought process, whether they're volunteers or
employees or contractors.
So let's identify -- if you take your worksheet,
and if you want to start scribbling in this, you'll have
the beginning of a plan before we finish the webinar.
So let's just identify what the key positions are
and the incumbent. Who's in that position at the moment?
Now, I'm going to walk you through my scenario for
starting this. I created a little reuse program, and
here's my scenario for the key positions.
Bill's an accountant who's very important in my
program. The people who keep the books are always very
important in your program.
Now, the truth is, though, that accounting
procedures are not unique to reuse programs. So in some
ways, having him out for an extended illness would be more
difficult to handle than actually recruiting a replacement
for him. But we do need someone to fill in for his
vacation, illnesses, or unanticipated emergencies.
Then I have a technician. Joe has been with the
program for 11 years, and he's certified, and he
refurbishes all the mobility devices. The problem is that
next year he's planning to retire and return to Costa Rica,
live the good life. So I have a real short-term problem
here.
Alicia's job as the intake clerk is very important,
but it's not that difficult to learn. But we haven't
bothered to fully train anyone to substitute for her.
Maya's our part-time occupational therapist. Her
role as the person who matches devices to customers is
critical for our service. But she's only a part-time OT
for us, which makes it even more difficult to recruit
someone. Where are we going to find another part-time OT?
And she's probably going to move in three years when her
husband graduates from medical school.
Now, Keenah's the dynamo behind all the marketing
efforts. She runs the donation drives. She produces all
the collateral. She appears at events on our behalf. She
helps us raise the money. We'd be lost without her. And
we don't have any backup.
But when we get to human resources, we're covered.
We've outsourced that. So a contractor's responsible for
hiring and training replacement resources. So I don't need
to worry about that one.
So I've identified my problems.
So you can fill in those columns on your worksheet
as you go along. Just check the functional areas and see
which ones have positions that are key to the activities,
put the person's name in in column 3.
Now we're going to go to work on actually assessing
the impact. I described the situation for you. I'm going
to give you some guidelines for how to quantify the
priorities.
The key positions. In column 4, what's the
difficulty of replacing this person? And to determine
that, we need to think about the function, how common is
it, the degree of responsibility the person has, what kind
of authority they have to make decisions, and what their
specific skills are.
So we'll use a range of numbers from 1 to 10. And
the low range, 1 to 3, will be a job that uses common
knowledge and skills. These are readily available in the
working population. So it would not be so difficult to
identify someone with those skills.
In the medium range, from 4 to 7 points, we'll
assign points based on how important the knowledge and
specific skills are for this job.
And then the high will be critical, unique
knowledge. Someone who's a specialist or if this is a
position in a highly competitive market.
It might be a computer technician helping with your
refurbishing program, but you may be in a market that just
gobbles up resources for those kinds of jobs. So it still
might be a lot of points.
So you assign points for the position impact based
on those things.
In column 5 we're going to assess the likelihood of
a vacancy for any reason. And sometimes we don't know, but
too often we do know. When I gave you my scenario, I
described some background information.
I know the staff, so I know what their plans are.
So I know a lot about the likelihood of vacancies in those
areas. And it may be due to marketability. Maybe they can
get a better job somewhere else. Maybe they have
retirement approaching soon. Maybe they have other
interests that may divert them from our program. Or it may
be personal circumstances that take them away.
And this time we're going to assign points based on
low probability that they'll leave, which means that you
expect them to be around five years or more. A medium
probability, two points. That means, in the next five
years, maybe I'll lose that person. Or high probability, 3
points. Within a year I'm going to lose that person.
And I told you that Jose is going to retire, so you
know I'm in trouble on one front.
Now let's just add up the points that you assigned
to these things in column 6. And the total of these points
is going to determine the priority for developing backup,
with the larger numbers getting the highest priority.
So you can now take those and just number them in
reverse order, and you have your priorities. So this is a
simple way to take the emotion out of the planning and who
gets priority for training and development.
So if we look at our little worksheet, we'll see
that I need to get really busy developing a backup for my
technician. I don't have a lot of time to train someone.
I have less than a year, and I'm going to be out of time.
I really need to be thinking about who's going to
replace my occupational therapist. And I need to think
about what I'll do if I have even a long-term illness in my
accounting position. And then I still have the marketing
coordinator and the intake clerk.
But I've identified my five positions and the
priority I'm going to assign to them.
So my next step is to assess the bench strength
that I have existing in the organization. Most of us have
done some cross-training, or we have people who have
learned parts of other jobs.
And that's true, too, because Bill has been a
short-term backup for the director. And that's very common
for financial and accounting people to be the leadership
backup. Mostly, if we've trusted them with the checkbook,
then we probably trust them with the program for short-term
absences.
And Elaine has covered emergencies when Keenah was
out. So she's helped with marketing.
And then we've had Keenah also cover for the intake
clerk in emergencies. So we know we have a little bit of
cross-training in the organization but certainly not enough
to plug these gaps. So how are we going to choose these
candidates?
We mention this in the leadership portion. The
first thing we want to do is start with people who
expressed an interest. And you may have some of this
information based on your annual performance evaluations,
if you're doing those, which you should.
When people articulate their goals or their
interests, then we make a note of it, and we say we want to
try to help them further those interests. Well, this is a
good opportunity to do that.
Then we consider those people we've identified who
already know portions of jobs and who would be interested.
I want to caution you not to develop people who don't have
a real interest in that job. You can sit there and spend
your time and your resources and wind up with no more
backup than you had to start with.
So let's plug into our spreadsheet part of our
plan. And what we're going to do here is focus on one
backup for each person. So the goal might be can I be two
deep in two years? My goal in the IT scenario was how can
I be three deep in three years?
But if you have no backup for every single key
position, then it's very important just to have that first
backup.
So identify those. And if you have more than one
candidate for that, enter the information. I've just done
backup #1. You can do backup #1 and 2 if you have the
luxury of the people.
In the next step we're going to address some of the
gap analysis. Now, some of the gaps may be in people who
are incumbents in the jobs. And don't overlook that when
you start making the development plan for additional
training.
So we want to use our job descriptions to identify
the competencies or skills that are essential, and then we
need to identify sources of training for those sources and
skills.
So on worksheet number 3, the second column, we're
going to identify who those people are. So as we plug the
name in, now we compare the skills the person has at the
moment with the skills that are required to do the job.
This will help us identify the training that needs to take
place.
So we'll have a list of the kinds of training or
the skills that are missing. And at that point we want to
know where will we get this training. And this does not
always need to be external training. It doesn't always
need to be expensive training.
Obviously, your first source and easiest avenue for
training is on-the-job cross-training. If you can make
that happen and you have someone that's skilled enough to
do that, then you assign the person and make the time
available for opportunities for them to learn the other
job.
Perhaps online webinars or some online courses
would be helpful. Maybe you really need to pursue some
external training or education.
Budget is going to be an issue. It always is. So
let's look for where you can do the most cost-effective
training for these people.
And there are some other avenues for those things.
If you're running a DME refurbishing program, maybe you
want to ask some of your local DME providers if there are
things they could do to help you train more people.
This doesn't get them certified. They would need
to go to programs to become certified. But it gives you
some more backup.
Now, worksheet number 4 is going to be a simple
timeline. All we're going to do is say year 1, year 2,
year 3. And we'll break it down by quarters. We won't try
to get the specific "We'll get this done on this exact
date" because we know things always interfere with plans
that precise.
But we'd like to have a quarterly plan and break
down the timing, the commitment of resources to cover for
people while they're being trained, and the cost of the
training. So this is going to help us get to our simple,
one-page plan.
Once you've identified all of the resources and the
types of training that you're going to use, you'll need to
assign a cost to this. Because this is going to go not
only in your succession plan; this is going to be part of
your long-term financial plan for the program.
So you'll include the training cost in, for
example, a three-year financial plan. So prepare that
budget. And when you're finished, you should be able to
present this in probably a one-page table or spreadsheet to
show these things.
Now, if you're drafting a succession plan for
senior leadership, I think it's advisable that you really
write down your goals and you produce a document that might
be two or three pages long that explains what you've done.
You may even want to do this with your key employee
succession planning so that everyone sees that you really
do have a roadmap for how to build depth in the operation
and secure the services that you deliver to the customer.
But it doesn't have to be a very complex thing.
Something simple and straightforward that spells out your
thought process, what you see as your potential liabilities
in terms of turnover, and what you're going to do to make
sure that there really are not service gaps when that
happens.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Trish, thank you so much. That
was excellent. And I really like the worksheet. It got me
thinking about several things that I think will be helpful.
What are y'all's thoughts, and what questions do
you have for Trish or for me before we wrap up?
And I'm going to release the mic, so feel free to
raise your hand and ask us questions or type it into the
public-chat area.
This is Carolyn again. Have any of you done a
succession plan?
And I know -- Lee Learson, it's good to see you on.
And I know that you've done this type of work before.
And, Denise, thank you for that great feedback. We
appreciate that. We do like to think, and we like people
that are thinking with us.
So, Lee, I know you've done succession planning
before. What are your thoughts, or do you have any advice
you would like to share with folks?
And I know that Rob's also on with RSA. And he's
done some sustainability planning.
Feel free to jump in if you have something you
would like to add to the discussion. We'd be very
interested to hear what y'all have to say.
And, Lee, I think you're right on.
Lee Learson, who's been in the reuse community for
years, says, "It's necessary, and you never know what's
going to happen." That is so true. That is so true.
When we were first starting the ReBoot program,
there was a whole team of us that started that program.
And literally in two weeks we had our key technician for
laptop repair, our key technician for the overall lab both
end up in the same hospital. And they were both in there
long term. Like we're talking six weeks.
And then our third person who was the succession --
you know, we had said, "Yes, you're the guy," actually
ended up -- he had MS, and he ended up having an episode
and couldn't move.
So you never know what's going to happen. And
thankfully our volunteers kicked in. And it made us think
a lot more about succession planning.
And you can plan and plan and plan and still not
know what's going to happen. So you never do know what's
going to happen. But it's good to plan, and it's good to
think about these things.
So in summary, we would like you to think about
these things: that planning for uninterrupted leadership
really is key to sustaining your program. It's key, not
just as I said before, in confidence so that people know
what it is that you want to continue; but really and truly
the things we plan for are usually the things that
continue.
If we plan and we put intention towards this, then
it means that this program is very important. And that's a
good thing.
It also shows that people are invested in the
program. And the truth is y'all are doing outstanding work
in the reuse community. You are definitely getting
technology to folks that would otherwise go without or even
without that specific piece of technology. So planning
gives attention to the program and to the good work you're
doing.
Developing successors for all key positions, it
contributes to the consistent service. Make sure that
things don't, you know, just fall behind; that all of a
sudden no one's answering the phone or no one's processing
any applications for equipment. It sustains the program,
and it builds a better qualified staff.
I've got to tell you, it makes me feel good to know
that my work is important and that my absence -- that it is
missed. And it means so much that I work for somebody who
sees that. I really appreciate that.
It also makes me feel good to know that work
continues when I'm gone, you know, and that's a good thing.
So it's great to know who those skills and
knowledge that can keep things going and also have buy-in
from your leadership above, if you will, whether it's in
advisory council or somebody higher up in the hierarchy of
your job.
Failure to do your succession planning can be as
damaging as failure to obtain operating income. That is so
true. It is so true.
There's a program that we're working with right
now. Really and truly they're going to close their doors
because nobody has planned for a succession plan. Nobody
has really even thought about it. They feel like, Oh, I've
done this for X number of years; I'm done; I want to
retire, and that's that.
And, you know, there are a lot of people in that
state that are going to be struggling because they're not
going to be around anymore -- this program is not going to
be around anymore to help those folks.
And I do think -- you know, the work we do is
tiring physically, mentally, emotionally. It can be
tiring. And, you know, everybody deserves to retire at
some point. But it's important for the folks that you're
serving. It shows them respect also to have that plan and
to plan ahead.
Commitment is as important as money in succession
planning. That's very true. If you can get that
commitment and you can get folks on board with the
importance of this, it really can make a big difference.
We hope that you've enjoyed this webinar. We hope
that you gleaned something from this that you're going to
be able to walk away and say, Yeah, that's helpful.
Denise, we appreciate your positive feedback. It's
good to see you on -- that it was good info and that it
made you think.
If you have more questions or just want to talk
with us about succession planning or sustainability, we'd
be very happy to talk with you.
Trish. You can contact her at
trish@passitoncenter.org. And you could also contact Liz
Persaud, who's with us. She's online with us, and you can
contact her at liz@passitoncenter.org. Or you can contact
me, carolyn@passitoncenter.org. "Passitoncenter" is all
together.
And we would like you to think about this and many
other keys to sustainability because we want you to be
around, especially, as I said earlier -- in reference to
earlier, when things are happening -- disasters, what have
you, what happened in Haiti -- it is so good to know that
we do have a network of people out there that have
experience in quality reuse so that we can call upon you,
and you can call upon us, and we can work together to meet
the needs of folks who are in very desperate situations.
There are people that we know that are in very
desperate situations every day. I know you meet them as
they roll into your offices or walk into your offices. I
know that we see that too, especially when there's a whole
city that's struggling. It's very, very important.
Sharon, good to see you. I'm glad that you're on.
"Excellent information, and glad -- is this going to be
archived?" Absolutely. And good to see you, Sharon.
Any other thoughts that y'all would like to share?
I also know that Joy Kniskern, you've done some
succession planning. Is there anything that you would like
to share?
And thank you, Sharon.
Anything that you would like to share as far as
your expertise?
And anyone else want to throw in any other idea
about this? I'm going to release the mic so that y'all can
add.
JOY KNISKERN: Hey, Carolyn. And glad to see that
everybody was on the webinar today. And I think you
covered a lot of really good information. It's something
for all of us to think about.
It reminds me of when, years ago, I worked with the
S.M.A.R.T. Exchange, a small group that worked with many
nonprofits establishing AT reuse -- not AT reuse but
demonstration centers.
And one of the findings they had was that the
A-number-1 issue for smaller organizations was, when that
knowledge base moved on, retired, what have you, that that
was the major issue in terms of their being able to keep
the organization afloat.
So I really encourage all of you to continue to
work on identifying your plans for sustainability and
giving us feedback and Carolyn feedback as to what are some
of the things that you need to know about that we may not
have covered.
So with that, thanks so much for participating.
And we'll open the floor for any other comments or
questions.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Okay. Well, y'all can think
about this. I know that this is a very important topic.
It's a very heavy topic, if you will. I don't think any of
us really want to think about, oh, lord, what could happen.
But once again, very important to think about those things.
And, Trish, I wanted to thank you once again. You
have done an outstanding job in pulling information
together. This was an excellent presentation, and I
appreciate all your work.
Do you have any closing thoughts for us or anything
you would like to share?
TRISH REDMON: I would like to know from all of you
not only any other questions you might have about
succession planning but any suggestions that you have for
what we could do to make our webinars more effective for
you.
This is our first attempt to respond to the request
that we move into the nitty-gritty of the how-to. We've
done two years of a lot of really useful information on a
general level and introductory information. And we heard
from people at the reuse conference that they would like to
have more detailed, nitty-gritty, granular information.
So I would really like to hear from you about what
that could be and what areas that you really need tools and
help in. And we'd like your feedback on how we can improve
in any way.
Thanks so much for your participation today.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Excellent. Thank you, Trish.
I just want to say how much I appreciated looking
at the chart and seeing how that flowed. I think that was
very, very helpful.
And I was actually looking for the slide where you
actually show how things -- the different columns and
what -- you know, just getting us thinking about and
weighing those things, actually coming up with a way that
we can think about it and taking the emotion out of it. I
think that's a very helpful tool. So thanks again.
All right. Well, we wish all of you a great day,
and we appreciate all your help.
Chase, thank you so much for that feedback. It
means a lot. Thank you, Chase. You said, "Well done."
And we appreciate that.
We wanted to remind everybody, once again, we will
be at ATIA. We've got ten session strands. That's going
to be outstanding. I'm so excited about this. And while
presenters have been preparing for a long time and pulling
the information together, a lot of new information will be
presented.
As we see it, we continue to grow and dig deeper
into these subjects. So it's not going to be just the same
information again. It will be deeper information.
And also wanted to let you know that we are doing a
preconference. I know that y'all have heard us talk about
this. But we are going to be doing a preconference at the
beginning of ATIA. We're very excited about this.
I just looked at the folders that Trish pulled
together. We're also going to have thumb drives that we're
going to be giving out. And the materials look
outstanding.
I wish that I had had that information when we
started out reuse programs in Georgia but sure am excited
that we'll be able to impart that knowledge to the
participants.
We have participants that are going to be there and
an amazing group of experts from around the country who are
going to be sharing their expertise with us. So we're
excited about that.
Trish, anything that you want to add as far as
details? I know it will be on January -- the preconference
is on January the 27th. There's still time to register.
And, Caroline, is there anything that you would
like to add to this announcement?
CAROLINE VAN HOWE: Hi, Carolyn. I'd just like to
invite you to let everyone on the webinar know about the
special reduced, discounted preconference fee. If you'd
like to share that with them, I think that'd be great.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Great. Thank you, Caroline.
Caroline has been amazing to work with -- Caroline
Van Howe with ATIA. And she knows that we continue to grow
in this area and try to get more information out there to
folks.
A lot of folks within the AT reuse community, I
know y'all can pinch so much more out of a penny than I've
ever seen; so much out of a dollar; that dollar stretches
so far with you. And so I appreciate all of you being
mindful of your resources and all of that.
And what Caroline has extended to us is an
opportunity for the folks to audit the preconference. You
can just pay a fee of $50 -- I hope that's correct,
Caroline -- and you would pay that fee. And then you
wouldn't be able to get the credits, and there are a few
other things that you wouldn't necessarily be able to get.
But you could get the -- participate in the preconference.
And so $50 is all you'd have to pay. If you wanted
to send some staff down, or if you want to participate,
that would be wonderful.
And we really appreciate ATIA reaching out and
extending this offer to us. I really am excited about the
information, and I can't wait for this to start.
Caroline said you can register online. And you
sure can. And if you have more information, feel free to
contact us about that.
Caroline, is there anything else that you would
like to add?
CAROLINE VAN HOWE: Yes. Actually, you can
register on-site, not online.
And just to repeat the offer. There is a special
Pass It On Center discount on the full conference
registration fee, which is $400. That's a reduction from
the on-site fee of $525. That's $125 discount.
So for $450 you can attend the whole conference and
also attend the Pass It On Center webinar, which is an
all-day, pretty much hands-on walkthrough of how to set up
and manage and also do some succession planning as well for
your AT reuse centers.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Great. Okay.
Sharon, I'm glad to see that you're going to come
and do that. That's excellent. Great. Great. Great.
All right. Well, let's keep the conversation
going. We're excited about ATIA. And we're excited about
all the knowledge that we'll be imparting and also
exchanges down there.
I'm glad that you're with us today. Once again, we
know your time is valuable. Thank you for spending this
time with us.
Liz, is there anything that you would like to add
as far as upcoming webinars?
LIZ PERSAUD: Hey, everyone. This is Liz.
For the upcoming webinars, just be sure to visit us
on the Pass It On Center website under the "Webinar" tab,
and you'll see our schedules that we have up.
And as always, we'll send the announcement out via
e-mail at the beginning of the month and then a day or two
right before just so you have that reminder.
I just wanted to mention, just along with ATIA,
we'll also be in the exhibit hall. So if you're going to
be there, feel free to come by and say hello and see what
we've got going on as well too.
And Carolyn is now pulling up the Pass It On Center
home page. And on the left-hand side you'll see the
webinar announcement box. And if you click here for more
information -- there you go. That takes you right to the
webinar page, gives you a description of the upcoming
webinar. And if you scroll down, you'll see our schedule
for the rest of the year.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: Excellent. Thank you, Liz.
You've done an outstanding job working with our web people,
Sharon Meek and Kimberly Griffin, to make this happen. So
good job.
So February 23rd, 2K10, as I'm hearing it now,
2010, you can join us. We'd love it. Liz will be our
presenter. She's got all kinds of expertise when it comes
to marketing and continues to grow in this area.
So using your program's website for more effective
communication. And that's what our conversation will be
about next time.
So thank you. Y'all take care. And we're here for
you. So keep in touch. Take care.
And Caroline just said that the Pass It On Center
discount code for $400 conference -- oh, there is a Pass It
On Center discount code for the $400 conference fee. Once
again, that is on-site. I misread that. It's on-site, not
online.
You can e-mail her. And I'm going to let Trish
read out the e-mail for more details.
TRISH REDMON: You can e-mail Caroline at
cvanhowe@atia.org for more details. We look forward to
seeing you there.
CAROLYN PHILLIPS: All right. Y'all take care.
Thanks again.
Thank you, Paul.
Thank you, Denise.
Bye, Liz. Great job.