"TRANSITION FROM LEARNING TO EARNING:
GETTING STUDENTS TO THE RIGHT SIDE OF THE DIGITAL DIVIDE"
WEBINAR
~ JULY 12, 2011 ~
LIZ PERSAUD: Hello everyone and welcome. This is
Liz with the Pass It On Center. I'm just looking at my
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"From Learning to Earning: Using Refurbished Computers to
Move Students Across the Digital Divide."
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We have some learning objectives for this webinar.
And what we're going to be talking about today is examining
a program for providing refurbished computers to students.
Joy Kniskern is on with us today. She is the
principal investigator of the Pass It On Center and also
does wonderful work with the High School/High Tech program,
laptop program here in Georgia. So she'll be talking to
you all about some of the great work that High School/High
Tech is doing.
The second learning objective is to understand
indicators of quality for computer refurbishing. Lindsey
Bean-Kampwerth with Paraquad is also a consultant with the
Pass It On Center. She is on this webinar today, and
she'll be talking to all of you about the indicators of
quality and what that means and how all of you can utilize
that as you're working on building a computer-refurbishing
program or enhancing what you've got going on now. And
Lindsey is our lead for that with the Pass It On Center.
And then we're really happy to say that we've got
Bob Rust and Joanne Willis with Touch the Future and the
ReBoot program here in Georgia with us. They're going to
be talking about ReBoot, about the computer-refurbishing
program that they've got going on, and their business model
and just sharing some of that information with you.
And again, these are our speakers today. We've got
Joy with the Pass It On Center. Bob Rust and Joanne Willis
will be contributing as well, too, with ReBoot/Touch the
Future. And as I said, Lindsey Bean-Kampwerth.
I also want to give a shout out to Trish Redmon,
who is one of our consultants with the Pass It On Center.
She worked with us very closely to get all this information
and compile this presentation together. And Trish is on
with us today too. So thank you, Trish.
And I also see that Caroline Van Howe with ATIA has
joined us. Caroline, thank you so much for being on the
webinar today.
Pass It On Center will be at ATIA in Chicago and
ATIA in Orlando. So we just want to let all of you know
that we'll have a booth. We have an AT reuse strand, and
we've got some activities lined up for our presence at
ATIA.
Caroline, is there anything that you want to say
about ATIA before I pass it on to Joy to talk about the
webinar today?
Okay. Well, with that being said, I'm going to
pass the mic to Joy, who's going to talk to you about the
Georgia High School/High Tech program.
JOY KNISKERN: Thank you, Liz. I really appreciate
your comments.
And welcome everybody. I know that we have people
joining us from across the country today. And if you're
anywhere close to us, I know that the heat index today here
in Georgia in Atlanta is up to 105 degrees. So we hope
that this webinar will be of interest to you. And we're
just going to move right ahead.
With the Georgia High School/High Tech program, we
started this program with the Georgia Department of Labor,
Vocational Rehabilitation Program back in the mid-'90s.
And essentially it's a program that provides
opportunities for students in grades 8 through 12 with all
kinds of disabilities to explore careers in science, math,
and technology.
And when we say that, don't just think computer
programming or software engineering. We have students who
are involved in everything from cosmetology [lost audio] --
Can you hear me now? I know we did sound checks
before. Can you hear me okay? All right. I'll speak up a
little bit. I've got the mic right in front, and hopefully
this will work.
High School/High Tech started in the mid-'90s.
It's an initiative of the Georgia Department of Labor and
the Vocational Rehabilitation Program. And we were one of
many programs across the country in the mid-'90s that
really started these initiatives to help students
transition from high school into post-secondary education
and to college and to employment and also into the VR
programs.
It is a program that provides opportunities for
students in grades 8 through 12 to really look at careers
in science, math, and technology.
But when I say science, math, and technology, don't
just think software engineer or systems engineer or
something of that nature. We have students in the program
who are interested in pursuing careers in everything from
cosmetology to engineering to law. And it's much broader
than the name would just give that impression.
And it's based on community involvement. True
partnerships among the families, the teachers in the high
schools, teachers at colleges, Georgia Department of Labor
and the VR Program, various advocacy groups, private
nonprofits, business leaders, and employers.
Okay. You can advance the slide.
All right. And I'm glad that everybody can hear
me. And we're going to move on to the next slide.
High School/High Tech is based on evidence-based
research, meaning that we have clear indicators as to what
happens when we provide this halo of attention to students
in secondary schools who are at risk of dropping out.
And if you Google "Guideposts For Success" -- and
the website for that is www.ncdwd-youth.info\guideposts,
and then you can just Google "America's Promise Alliance."
You will see that there's a lot of really good
information on both of those websites about research and
evidence-based practice showing that giving students who
are at risk in high schools the opportunities where they
can explore the world to work and do career exploration, do
work-based learning, school-based experiences, connecting
activities such as field trips and trips to post-secondary
schools.
These kinds of things are really what helps
students stay in school. And I know that the data on
drop-out rates for students with disabilities is about I
think twice that of students without disabilities.
And so this is our future, and it's important for
all of us to invest in these programs.
All right. Let's next go on to the next slide.
And in our program here in Georgia we just did our
third-quarter report. We have a secured online data
system. And I'm happy to say that the majority of the
schools that we're working with, which we've got about 20
counties and many schools in those counties, are using this
system so that we can really measure outcomes.
And now we have approximately 500 students who are
actively enrolled in the program. And of those, about 376
are, in fact, VR clients.
And I saw that there was a note there of my sound
going in and out. Thanks for that feedback. And just let
me know if it works better for you.
The primary referral agent are high school
teachers. And those are the ones who really pinpoint these
students and refer them into High School/High Tech.
We do have 157 counties in Georgia. And so you can
imagine this is not something that is universally available
across the state. We've been expanding the program every
year very steadily. And we're going to probably have about
at least a dozen more schools who will be coming on in the
fall, and we're very, very excited about that.
Okay. We can move on to the next slide.
One of the things that our High School/High Tech
coordinator in early 2003, about that time frame, came up
with a concept of why not provide students on a competitive
basis with laptops so that they would be able to do their
homework, have an opportunity to research colleges and
post-secondary schools, do a number of things that they
really didn't have that opportunity to do.
And so that was a program, the refurbished laptop
program, that was born out of need of students who really
didn't have access to laptops. And we'll get that slide up
in just a minute here.
But with this particular program, we did a survey
of a lot of the students just to find out -- and the
teachers -- what are the barriers that a laptop would
overcome?
And for many of them they stated that they really
had significant transportation barriers so that, after
school, they didn't have a way to get to a library. And
many of them are coming from homes that have a lower
income, so they didn't have an opportunity to have a
personal computer at home.
And they also mentioned that it would assist with
transition to post-secondary education or work. It would
give them an opportunity to research programs, research
scholarships, really find out the different kind of jobs
out there and so on.
We also realized that, by having a laptop at home,
they'd have a greater opportunity to bridge and use
assistive technology that they might not otherwise have at
home.
And I think this slide is slowly coming up, but I'm
just running through these materials anyway. So thanks for
your patience.
They also talked about the opportunity to use the
computers and the laptops to do research products, to
finish their senior high school project and exam, and to
get assignments and submit assignments.
If anybody's participated in post-secondary
education online, you know that, if you don't have a
personal computer, you don't know how to use it, and
especially if you layer on the need to use assistive
technology, then these are things you really need to be
starting when you're in high school, if you're going to
need these tools, so that you can carry them on.
And so these were all of the things that the
students mentioned. They also said that they needed a way
to really study for the high school graduation exam.
We could advance to the next slide.
They also wanted to have an opportunity to do
online applications for college; access tutorials; apply
for college scholarships; and to complete online
assessments for careers and interests; do interest
inventories to sort of pinpoint, well, you know, what kind
of career do I want to pursue; and to also do job searches
and to apply for summer jobs and online job applications.
All of these kinds of things they used.
And we're going to advance to the slide now that
says "Why Do Computers Matter?"
So how many of you -- while we're waiting for the
next slide to pull up, and it will be the one beyond
this -- if any of you have High School/High Tech programs
or something like that in your state, please feel free to
make comments in the chat area. We welcome interaction.
It really helps a lot to learn about what you're doing and
what interests you have and maybe launching a program like
this.
Why do computers matter? The digital divide refers
to the gap between those who have access to technology and
those who don't. So computer usage and access has a major
impact on employment and income, as we were just saying.
And we're going to look at a couple of slides now
that really show you some of the data that correlates
computer usage for on-the-job work.
If you're a student -- if you're on the job and
you've got a bachelor's degree, secondary education, or a
doctoral degree, your chances of using a computer on the
job or needing to use a computer on the job is like
80 percent or more. So having that early on is very, very
helpful.
And this will come up in just a minute. The
percentage of people who use computers, and that increases
by educational level.
And if you're a person who hasn't graduated from
high school, then I think the percentage is less than
20 percent. You're probably not going to have as great a
need to use the computer as those with advanced degrees.
Can everybody see the PowerPoint? I can see the
title. I cannot see the graph. But I basically described
that graph.
So if you -- there you go. So if you have a
doctorate or a professional degree, you're at about maybe
83 percent; master's degree, for some reason, a little bit
higher; and then on down to some college, then you're going
to be using a computer probably 58 percent of the time; and
then on down to a high school dropout, it's less than
20 percent.
And then we can advance to the next slide. And
that's going to show you basically computer usage on the
job and income levels.
And I think all of us do know that the more you use
a computer and the people in higher income jobs are more
likely to use computers in their work. The usage levels
really increase with income levels.
And you can see that, if you're one of those
individuals that is earning a little bit under $75,000 or
more, you've got a 75 percent chance of using a computer on
the job. And if you are not using a computer, which
suggests that you have not as much education, perhaps a
high school drop-out, it's going to be less than $20,000 a
year. So there's some very strong drivers for this kind of
program.
And so we'll advance to the next slide.
One of the things that we ask for these students to
do is, when they do a competition for the laptops -- and
we're going to be talking about that in just a minute -- is
they write thank you notes to let us know how they're using
these laptops.
And if they want to participate in the program,
they must be either rising juniors or seniors at a school
where we have a High School/High Tech program. That means
that they would have physical, sensory, or learning
disabilities and that they're an active participant in the
High School/High Tech program.
There is a competitive application process. And I
think a couple of us on the webinar today have had an
opportunity to participate on the panels where we're
actually reviewing their application materials.
They must submit an essay or a PowerPoint
presentation where that really talks about their goals and
how they want to use the laptop. They also indicate
whether or not they have certain functional issues. Like
do they have trouble reading? Do they have trouble
writing? Spelling?
That can be a flag for us, even if they don't know
assistive technology or that terminology, that we need to
look at that for incorporation of assistive technology on
the laptop.
They have to indicate demonstrated leadership. One
of the neat things about this is just some of the comments
that the students share.
I'll never forget the time I was working on one of
the applications, and one of the students said, "My
leadership activity is that I get my little brother up
every morning and get him dressed for school so that he can
get to his bus on time. And this is after my mother has
had to go to work already."
And we constantly hear stories like that where
leadership, when you think about that, you automatically
think of maybe student council president or pep club chair
or something of that nature.
And we get all kinds of comments from students who
write in about how they demonstrated personal
responsibility and leadership in their lives.
The parents give recommendations. The teacher
gives recommendations. And of course the student is his
own best advocate.
And from that we make selections about students we
feel are ready to really use the laptop, and the awards are
made that way.
Okay. Let's advance to the next slide.
I wanted to talk a little bit about how this
program is funded. The primary funder of the program has
been the Georgia VR Program.
And I'm happy to say that our leadership from the
very top has really embraced this program. All of the
regional directors across the state are working very
actively to establish High School/High Tech programs even
if they're in the very beginning stages of this.
And so we've been very busy working with our
statewide program coordinator to get the word out and to
help launch new sites.
I think I missed a slide here.
And there is a refurbished computer committee that
has been in existence from the very inception of the
program.
And it's comprised of teachers; vocational
rehabilitation folks; people from the VR Assistive Work
Technology Program; Tech-Able, which is a Tools For Life
Assistive Technology Resource Center supported through the
AT Act funds; and also site coordinators from several of
the High School/High Tech programs participate in that
selection committee.
And the committee meets about four times a year.
And we try to do meetings where we can get batches of
applications in so the students have access to what they're
awarded throughout the school year as much as possible.
So we can advance to the next slide. And I believe
the next slide may deal with how the program is indeed
funded.
One of the things that we always stress throughout
all of our webinars is, if you're working in programs like
this, whether it's an AT reuse program or a VR-based
program, we need to be creative, in this time of scarcity
and economic need, to diversify our funding bases as much
as possible, because it's through that process that we can
really strengthen and sustain our programs and really grow
them.
We ask for students to say how they're using their
laptops. And here are some examples that came from the
thank you letters of students:
Michael said, "We use it for writing."
Jeovani used it for communication.
And we get all kinds of comments as to how they're
using those computers.
In terms of funding, as I mentioned VR provides the
majority of the funds. They're supporting things primarily
like field trips, exploration where students can go on
field trips and do job shadowing across the state.
And the last one there was Maxwell said he wanted
to complete homework now and in his future in electrical
wiring.
So those were only some of the examples of how the
students used those laptops.
Let's advance to the next slide.
Okay. And in terms of funding beyond the VR
program, we are also getting funds from community
foundations. We have gotten about $20,000 from community
foundations.
As I mentioned before, the VR program is using
funds primarily to help in outside technical assistance as
well as funding field trips. And this year we doubled the
amount of funding available for the laptop program.
And Bob Rust is going to talk a little bit about
some of the specifications and how that program works later
on in this webinar.
The AT act has also provided some of the funding
for the laptops and has been involved in providing some
direct training to the site coordinators and on assistive
technology and support that way.
Also the VR program is supporting through making
available assistive work technology team staff. We have
about 29 staff across the state. And now when a laptop is
awarded to a student where we believe that that student is
going to need assistive technology, then a referral is made
back to the counselor, to the assistive work technology
staff to do an assessment to identify specifically what it
is that that student will need. And then we have a pot of
funds that is separate from VR case funds that we use to
support the assistive technology that that student may
need.
And then also some of our other business partners
for supporting the program -- Touch the Future, Inc., the
ReBoot program for refurbishing -- you'll hear about that
later on.
Tech-Able, one of our assistive technology resource
centers, has been a real conduit for some of the early
computer laptop refurbish committee meetings and also for
working to advise us about looking at bids that we may
receive for laptops and also procurement of things like
assistive technology.
We've also recently this year gotten funding
through the Workforce Investment Act funds in one of the
areas of our state in the Augusta area. And through that
students have gotten some additional laptops, and they've
also gotten some job-training kinds of activities,
job-preparation training.
And we'll advance to the next slide.
I see we have a few more people who've joined us.
And at any time when I'm presenting, even though we'll have
a specific time for questions, feel free to jump up and
jump in.
In terms of other business partners, with some of
the work exploration activities and field trips, business
partners really play a vital role there. They help us in
many different kinds of ways.
One of the things that the refurbished laptop
committee does is help to define the specifications for the
laptops. And then we contract -- we've been contracting
with ReBoot, which is a refurbishing program of Touch the
Future. And that program also gets funds through the AT
Act program.
ReBoot actually acquires and refurbishes the
laptops. And we really appreciate the opportunity to have
worked with them. They've been very helpful.
I think, over the course of several years, we've
only had just maybe very few laptops that have been
refurbished where there's been a failure.
Most of that time it's happened indeed because of
something that the student did that we said don't download
a lot of extra things off the Internet, and it was really a
user error. But we still managed to do the fix and get it
up and running for the student again.
And so we're going to move on to the next slide.
We've had people who've come from across the
country to actually visit Touch the Future and ReBoot. And
I know that they welcome those opportunities to really show
what they're doing.
They are located right outside of Atlanta, and they
have a lovely facility, and it's just really an experience
to go through and see that whole process of how you
actually do refurbishing and make it work.
And while we're waiting for the next slide, I know
that, once the student gets laptops, different schools have
different approaches in different regions, different High
School/High Tech programs, in how they actually do the
awards to the students.
In some cases they will have meetings in the
schools and invite the parents in where the laptops can be
distributed. I know in Augusta there's a major
employer-awareness day where about 200, 250 people come,
teachers, students, usually about 20 employers. And the
students actually get up, give presentations about why this
is so important to them and what it's going to mean in
their lives.
So let's take a look at the laptop specifications,
the processor speed. As you can see, these are pretty
snazzy systems. Processor speed is 1.6 gigahertz or
greater. The Ram is 1 gigabyte. Hard drive is 60
gigabytes or greater. Additional drives, DVDs, CD
read/write.
I can see it, Liz. I can see the slide.
Okay. USB ports, at least one. Screen size 15.4
LCD size screen. We like to get a little bit larger size
screen because, for some of the students, it's just easier
to work with that if they have any kind of learning
disability or an impairment that otherwise would indicate a
larger screen.
Wireless, yes. It's built-in. Ethernet, yes.
Battery, cord, yes. Operating system, XP Pro. And the
software is MS Office 2007, Open Office, and security
software as well.
This also comes with a three-month warranty and a
laptop carrying case. And this year I think ReBoot was
able to get a very competitive price for us. Some people
asked, "Is it better to do a refurbished laptop, or is it
better to do a laptop that you just buy commercially
because we know that prices continue to go down?"
And I think Bob will still address that. I don't
feel like we're at the tipping point. It's made good
business sense for us, and it's worked very nicely.
And so with that, I think we're ready to turn it
over to Bob. And he'll jump in and really talk more about
ReBoot and how they operate this program.
Thanks so much, Liz.
And before we move on, does anybody have any
comments or questions about the program and how we're
operating so far? Okay.
Well, we'll just roll on to the next slide.
Hey, Gigi. I'm glad you're here.
Any questions? All right. We always like to give
a pause because people get absorbed in listening to what's
going on with the webinar. And we really encourage your
questions. And if there's anything that we've said that
needs a little clarification or you just want to make a
comment. Is this helpful? Anything else we need to be
addressing? Please jump right in.
And with that, I will turn it over to Bob.
KOBENA BONNEY: I have a question before you do.
BOB RUST: I think I heard someone who did have a
question. I'm going to turn it over to them for a moment.
KOBENA BONNEY: This is Kobena Bonney in Boston. I
had a question about the specs for the laptops.
You said 15 inches or bigger. And my question is,
since these are laptops, the bigger they are, the heavier
they naturally would be.
So why the preference for 15 or larger, and does
that preclude smaller screens like 13, et cetera?
JOY KNISKERN: And I will answer that. It doesn't
preclude -- you're right. It does mean that it's going to
be a little bit larger laptop.
And if there were a student who specifically stated
or if on an evaluation we found out that they did indeed
need to use a much smaller laptop -- I have a wonderful
colleague who uses a very small laptop. And if that were
to be the case, we would certainly jump on to looking at
how we could provide for that. It might not be a
refurbished laptop in that case.
And, Bob, if you would like to add anything else to
this question. And then, when we're done with that, we
have a question from Cheryl about DeKalb County referrals.
And we'll get to that in just a minute.
BOB RUST: Sure, Joy. I can actually answer that a
little bit better. Those are minimum requirements on the
High School/High Tech program. As Joy indicated before,
some students require larger screens. And that would be
the 17-inch screens that we do provide the High School/High
Tech program.
There also are -- there's not a problem actually
associated with the weight because a lot of the systems we
get are slimline-type products that are 15.6 and greater in
size in screens. So the weight differential, based upon
the much older laptops, doesn't really exist anymore.
And I believe that the person that was asking the
question was probably alluding to the fact that there are
10.1-inch screens on the Atoms right now. But the Atoms
are very restrictive to the software that can be run on
them and also how that software can be loaded. It can only
be loaded through the Internet. It cannot be loaded by
CD-ROMs because they don't have any CD-ROMs that come with
them.
Joy, if you wanted to address that or if you want
to go to that next question before I start my program, let
me know.
JOY KNISKERN: Yes. I want to address this
question.
And Cheryl asked, "How many referrals are coming
from DeKalb County?"
And DeKalb County, for those of you who are on this
webinar from other states, is a county of the Metro Atlanta
area.
I know that we have several High School/High Tech
sites in the DeKalb County area. And I don't have a way
right now to pull up the database and to tell you how many
DeKalb County referrals we're getting to either the High
School/High Tech program or specifically for the
computer-laptop program.
But I'd be happy to get back to you with that
information. We do have a way to get to a database on the
secured system, and we can let you know about that.
I will say that this year one of the steps our
management took within the VR Program, since these are
VR-funded laptops, they ask that we provide laptops only
for students who had applied for VR services.
And with that, there's been the parallel
expectation that we across the state work as closely as
possible to move as many of the students as possible onto
VR case loads. And they still have to obviously go through
an eligibility process there.
One of the things that we're also looking at is,
for students who are not funded through the VR program
for -- you know, maybe they're students in the tenth grade,
and we just don't think that it's a reasonable amount of
time where they could reach their employment goals by
coming on board in the tenth grade but yet they're in the
High School/High Tech program.
So how could they indeed participate in the laptop
program? And that's one of the reasons why we've gone to
community foundations and looking at some other grants
where we could pull in additional outside funds that are
not tied to the VR program and grow this effort.
We have also had a request from a very well-known
national organization that wants to be able to find a way
to put laptops into the hands of students with different
kinds of visual loss impairments. And so we're looking at
that.
Anyway, that's a long answer to your question. And
I'll be happy to get back with you with the specifics for
DeKalb County.
BOB RUST: Joanne wanted to test her mic. Could
you go ahead and do that?
Okay. Thank you very much, Joy.
Hopefully everybody can hear me at this point.
Let's see. I'm getting that the audio is gone. Are you
hearing me? So the audio is gone for some folks, but for
others it's still there.
So anyway, I'll move forward with my presentation.
And, Liz, if you can go to the next slide, please.
My name is Bob Rust, and I'm the ReBoot and reuse
procurement manager for Touch the Future. I'm going to go
very quickly on what Touch the Future is. We are a
501(C)(3) nonprofit. We're in Atlanta, Georgia, dedicated
to increasing the knowledge about, access to, and
acquisition of assistive technology services for all of our
clients.
The major portion of Touch the Future, as far as
the part that is a connector to all of the services that
Touch the Future manages, is the A link. And A link, which
also includes assessment, advocacy, training, and
matching -- and I'll go through each one of these quickly,
and then we'll be obviously focusing on ReBoot.
We have the ReBoot program, which is our major
program. We have Regained Mobility, which is the AT and
DME side of Touch the Future, offering those services to
clients. We have the program that manages all of our
recycling and repurposing. We also have our donor project.
And then we have our reuse and recycling partnerships that
we've set up.
Can you go to the next slide, please.
As we move forward with this, we're going to be
discussing how the reuse and recycling and AT
partnership -- that includes computer, AT, DME, and daily
living products.
Touch the Future partnerships includes hospitals
and home health care agencies; national organizations such
as the American Disability Act, the National Cristina
Foundation.
We have manufacturers and distributors. We also
have disability organizations: The Muscular Dystrophy
Association, Paralyzed Veterans Association. And we also
have Champions Made From Adversity, which is a sports
organization that we deal with.
We also have universities: Clemson University and
the University of South Carolina Upstate.
Our recycling agencies is actually done through a
partnership that we have with IERC, which is the
International Electronic Recycling Coalition, which is made
up of a lot of different recyclers throughout the United
States and North America.
We also have municipalities that we deal with from
the standpoint of helping them with their recycling efforts
and the repurposing of their equipment that they have.
Our funding sources are the Tools For Life agency,
the foundations United Way, and corporations.
The distribution network that we utilize to be able
to get out to all of the clients that we serve is the major
ones: The STAR Network; FODAC, Friends of Disabled Adults
and Children, which work with us; and the ILC, Independent
Living Centers, that are available to us.
We also have affiliated agencies, which the biggest
one we have currently is Roosevelt Warm Springs ReBoot.
And I'll get into that later because they're one of the
ones who indicated to us that they wanted to have a ReBoot
at their location. And it kind of dovetails into what this
presentation is about on how do you create a reuse and
recycling group and how do you manage it.
Next slide, please.
The next slide gives you the capability of the
ReBoot program itself. Touch the Future, it's the most
recognized and nationally benchmarked, trademarked
program -- ReBoot is. ReBoot has been around since 1997,
and it's really grown tremendously since that first
started. I believe it started at FODAC, Friends of
Disabled Adults and Children, at a little room in there.
ReBoot is a computer and technology service to meet
the customer needs. And it reuses, recycles, and limits
landfill usage.
In fact, we have a zero-landfill tolerancy. We do
not allow anything that we receive as donations to go to a
landfill whatsoever at any of the locations that we manage.
If you can move to the next slide, please.
The next slide will show some outcomes of our
program -- of the ReBoot program. We had 9,192 computers
that have been issued. We established a distribution
network through an AT partnership.
ReBoot provides consumer access to computers and
specialized AT, which also includes the matching and the
training aspect of that.
It employs individuals with disabilities and
seniors at Touch the Future.
Uses volunteers and develops skills. A lot of
times we'll have volunteers that come to us, in fact,
several of them recently have come to us having a different
skill set through the building industry. They had worked
at building homes and so forth. And they discussed with
us, "How can I get a different skill set so that I can get
a different kind of job? My job doesn't exist any more."
And so they've come in here. They've learned how
to refurbish computers. They've learned how to use
computers. And it has allowed several of them to go out
and obtain jobs that they would not normally have been able
to obtain without those skill sets and to transfer those
skill sets.
We've kept 174 tons of e-waste out of landfills
from the inception of our project. I'm trying to remember
when we first started keeping track of that. And I believe
it was four years ago when we first started keeping track
of that. No, in 2007. So 2007 is when we started keeping
track of it.
We are trademarked. And the ReBoot program is a
turnkey process for anyone who wishes to get involved with
it.
Next slide, please.
Continuing, looking at the ReBoot features, which
will be coming up on the next slide, I've broken out the
aspect of a reuse program into donations that are required.
You have to have the donations in order to have the
refurbishment process occur such as ReBoot has. So you
have to build a donations process.
Within the donations process you'll have
evaluations of everything that comes in your door. Back
door, meaning things that come in from corporations and
truckloads of equipment; to the front door, which is the
single items that come in from individuals who donate their
laptops and their computers and so forth and monitors and
everything.
Out of that evaluation process, we have found over
the years that 25 percent of those evaluations --
25 percent of those systems can actually be used.
75 percent are bad.
So if you're looking at building out a ReBoot-type
process, or if you're looking at building out a
refurbishment thing, then you're looking at 75 percent of
everything you get is going to probably go to end of life,
which we call end-of-life technology or recycling.
25 percent can actually be refurbished. Out of the
25 percent that we receive that is good, then those are
refurbished. Those are desktops, laptops. That includes
Apples and other types of assistive technology because we
do refurbish assistive technology devices also.
Under the refurbishment piece, we reuse everything
that we can. That's the 25 percent I discussed. And that
takes parts and pieces and everything to do that.
And then the rest of it goes to the end-of-life
technology. Now, when I indicate aggregation, what I'm
indicating is that we take all of the equipment that we
receive in from all of the places that we have them, and we
aggregate them in one location.
The reason for that is -- and I'll get into the
difference later -- but the end-of-life side or the
recycling side of this requires an aggregation of
equipment.
No one wants to pick up one or two or three pieces.
They want to pick up truckloads of pieces. And that's what
allows you to set up an actual revenue stream based upon
the end-of-life side.
On the distribution piece, you obviously are taking
the refurbished piece, and you're distributing it to your
customer. And you're matching and you're trading when you
do that.
With the High School/High Tech aspect, we
distribute it to High School/High Tech. I believe we're
almost up to a hundred this year on the laptops. And we
distribute it to them for them to distribute to the actual
student.
So we didn't deal with the student, but we did deal
with the program as far as distributing that equipment to
them.
The equipment that goes to the end-of-life
technology side or the recycling side we demanufacture.
And I'll get into that also. But demanufacturing is an
important part associated with end of life. And the
reasoning behind that is because the demanufacturing piece
allows you to increase the value of the recycling that
you're distributing to the recyclers.
On the distribution -- let's go back to the
distrubution side again or discuss it a little bit more --
you have consumers, groups, and organizations, and the AT
partnership that we built out through our distribution
network.
And that partnership includes about 12 sites at
this point throughout Georgia and South Carolina. So that
allows us to not only be able to distribute equipment to
those sites to match their clients' needs, but that also
allows for them to be able to receive equipment in at those
sites.
And we aggregate at our site for that equipment.
We've got about 12,700, I think, square feet of aggregation
space to be able to manage that equipment -- 12,470.
On the other aspect, one of the biggest things on
the donation side, because I'm going to rotate back up to
that, is identity protection. That is a big, big plus to
be able to manage the donations that come in; make sure all
the hard drives are pulled from every system that comes in,
even the 75 percent that are bad; and wipe all of those
drives or destroy those drives through a process of
shredding.
So that is decided by the client at the time. If
they wish to have some sort of certificate of destruction
or a certificate of wiping, we provide that to them through
the ReBoot program.
Probably 90 to 95 percent of the clients, including
corporations who donate to us, they don't have that
requirement. But we indicate to them that we do wipe all
of their data from all of the hard drives that are on the
systems that we receive.
So we do have identity protection as one of our
biggest facets of the ReBoot program when the donations
come in during the evaluation process.
Can I have the next slide, please.
The last facet of the features associated with
ReBoot -- after you've done your evaluations, you've done
your refurbishment, and now you're doing your
distribution -- is the warranty and the maintenance side.
So you have to build out some sort of warranty
program that is both documented and given to the client and
signed off by the client that there is a warranty
associated with the refurbished equipment.
A one-year warranty is what we allow for our
desktops. That covers the hardware and the software that
we provided, which was the operating system, Microsoft
Office 2007, and security software.
Any software that the client provides on the system
during that year we do not warranty. So obviously if their
software interferes with ours -- like a lot of problems
occur with computers when they have multiple security
software aspects associated with them. They have McAfee.
They have several different systems in there, and it
interferes with ours.
They bring it in, and they say, "I have a problem.
It's not working correctly." And it's because they have
more than one security system, and they're all fighting
each other at the time.
On the laptop it's a different situation. We have
a 90-day warranty on the laptops. And again, that's parts
and software. And we do not warranty the batteries
associated with the laptops because of the way that
customers tend to use those batteries.
The optimum way to manage a battery -- and I kind
of digress a little bit here, but the optimum way to manage
a battery is that you allow it to drain until it's ten
percent, then you recharge it.
If you keep it plugged into the outlet, it will
drain the battery during that period of time and reduce the
life of the battery significantly. Up to 70 percent of a
brand-new battery can be reduced in life if it's maintained
plugged into a power outlet.
We also have -- for the warranty and the
maintenance process we also have help-desk support. That
help-desk support can be phone -- they call us on the phone
and talk to us and tell us that there's a problem with it.
And we may or may not be able to repair that situation over
the phone with them.
We also have on-site service which they can bring
the equipment into our site, and we can repair it. And
that includes bringing it into our remote sites that I
indicated to you before through our network. And we come
and pick it up, bring it back, repair it, and then bring it
back to the remote site for distribution back to the
customer.
Our newest process is remote access or virtual
access to the PC. For those particular clients who are out
of the realm of being able to bring their computer into us,
and it is something that can be solved by a tech actually
interfacing on their PC itself, we have a remote-access
product that we utilize so that we can actually gain access
to their computer from our site here and fix their computer
at that point.
Next slide, please.
So now that you know how ReBoot works and how the
features of ReBoot work, let's discuss computer reuse
models. How do you choose a model to be able to manage?
Or how you do you choose a model to be able to make a
decision on how you want to move forward with a reuse
project?
First of all, you have to define the scope and
service or the mission and goals of the model you're going
to have. You also have to have an area of marketing, a
service area. Are you just going to manage your particular
area where you have your facility, or are you going to go
spread out into other areas?
What types of machines or equipment are you going
to use? Your resources. What are your funds? The type of
people and how many people you're going to need. The space
that you need to have and the equipment that you need to
have through the donations.
What are your expectations? The issues associated
with your expectations. The frequency by which you deal
with your customer base. Is it every day? Is it once a
month? Is it once a quarter?
And the training associated with issuing the
equipment to the client. How much responsibility and
liability are you taking on by managing that training
aspect? Because it is required. You do have to train the
client on how to use the equipment when they receive it
because that releases you from liability.
Also then the last part is the sustainability. How
are you going to maintain your funding? How are you going
to deal with fees that you have to manage in order to keep
the doors open?
And then the recycling aspect or end-of-life
technology piece is also another revenue stream for your
company to be able to help sustain the scope and the
mission that you're trying to deal with.
There are basically two model types. One is you
obtain the refurbished products from another source.
That's basically what High School/High Tech does. They
purchase the products, but then they distribute those out.
And they have a whole process set up, as you have heard
from Joy, about distributing those to the students.
The students have to go through a process to obtain
those laptops. So that type of model allows you to obtain
the computers from another source and then manage the
back-end piece, which is the distribution, who gets it, the
training aspect, everything else.
The other model is to become an actual refurbisher
yourself, which is what ReBoot is. So if you want to
become a ReBoot, then you would have to be able to manage
all the processes associated with that.
And the next slide will indicate what some of those
processes are and how to obtain refurbished computers,
which is the first piece of the whole thing. So if we can
go to the next slide.
When you're setting up the model type that you
want, you have to establish the program parameters. And
again, that goes to, am I going to get my computers or am I
going to get my equipment from somewhere else, or am I
going to rebuild, or am I going to refurbish those
computers myself?
You also have to obtain the refurbished computers
from a source. You can obtain them -- obviously you want
to obtain them from a qualified refurbisher.
And what is a qualified refurbisher? That is a
refurbisher who is generally a Microsoft-registered
refurbisher or someone who has specifications associated
with qualification. And they've built out -- they have
documentation basically that indicates that they are a
qualified refurbisher.
And you need to have that so you understand what
they are capable of doing and that they are protecting the
equipment that you're obtaining.
You also have to have specs associated with the
computer that you are trying to obtain, costs associated
with it, and accessories such as bags or power cords,
additional power cords, things like that that you may have
to have.
Also services of a qualified refurbisher need to be
defined. When you obtain the equipment from the
refurbisher, what are they giving you back in regards to
that? Obviously maintenance of -- any kind of service
associated with it and things like that.
So from that perspective, you need to be able to
see what you're obtaining from the refurbisher when you're
obtaining the equipment.
Then you have the issuing standpoint. From issuing
you have to have space, someplace you're going to be doing
it, even if it's out of your car; paperwork for the
applicant to be able to issue the equipment to them;
agreements so that you have liability issues managed; and
you have sign-offs so that, when the client receives the
computer and you've trained them on how to turn it on and
how to use it, then you have the capability of being able
to have the liability issue at least managed a little bit
better.
The training, which is basic, usually includes the
instructional material that you're training them on too.
So not only do you verbally train the person how to turn
the laptop on, for instance, and so forth, but also you
give them instructional material so they can review that,
go back to that and look at it.
You also most likely will have some specialized
software that will be dealt with with that computer. You
have to have training associated with that specialized
software also.
That training can be provided by the group, your
group that's doing that. Or you can get the training from
another group that managed that process.
So then you have the maintaining of the records.
The equipment, in order to maintain the warranty for that
equipment, you have to maintain records associated with the
equipment, and so does the refurbisher who gave you that
equipment to begin with.
There's also safety issues associated with the
equipment so that you're, again, defraying the availability
of any kind of problems, people plugging it into the wrong
plug, that kind of thing.
Your consumers. You want to maintain information
and records on your consumers. You don't want to violate
any HIPAA requirements, but you do want to maintain the
contact information, and you want to indicate the outcomes
of how many consumers you served and how many of them were
satisfied and what was their degree of satisfaction.
The whole thing is based upon a cost, and it's
based upon size and expectations. So again, in looking at
creating your refurbished process, so to speak, then you
would need to see how big do I want to be, and what are my
expectations on how many clients I want to serve?
The cost is a number of issues that you plan on:
the types of client, the funds, and do you do it monthly,
quarterly or daily, as we indicated before?
Next slide, please.
Now, that's dealing on the first side -- this past
slide has been dealing on obtaining the computers through a
refurbisher.
Now, to become a refurbisher, I've built out two
scenarios here. One is a small refurbisher, and one is a
medium refurbisher. And as soon as that slide comes up,
you'll be able to see that.
The small refurbisher and the medium refurbisher
all have the same requirements associated with them, but
the requirements match the size that you're going for.
So let's go with the small refurbisher first, and
I'll take you through a scenario on that.
You have to establish the program parameters, which
means that you basically do a business area analysis on
what you're going to be as a refurbisher.
You have to look at your staffing requirements. A
small refurbisher can get away with one or two people, but
one of them has to be a tech, and one of them has to be
A-plus certified.
You have to have a facility to house the
refurbishment in. Office and shop equipment are required.
You have refurbishment equipment that's required.
In other words, what are you going to be getting in the
door that you're going to refurbish? And parts that you're
going to need for things that fail.
You also have to have the recycling component or
the end-of-life technology component to manage that
75 percent that will fail the process.
You have to be able to issue from that site. You
have to be able to train from that site. And you obviously
have to maintain the records.
Now, all of those things are done from the small
refurbisher's side to the medium refurbisher's side. And I
didn't get into the large refurbisher because those are
huge, and some of these parameters are just way out of line
for them. But this basically manages it for the small
refurbisher and the medium refurbisher.
And again, the difference between the two is that
the small doesn't have to aggregate or demanufacture from
their recycling aspect. They have a decrease -- or they
decrease a piece of the sustainability factor. They don't
have to sustain as much as a medium refurbisher does.
The location is key and can substantially increase
the cost between a small and medium refurbisher. And the
laws are different in association with encompassing the
requirements for a small refurbisher and a medium
refurbisher.
Both of those levels of refurbishment need to be in
a position where they can manage the laws required and
where they can also be -- both of them need to be Microsoft
authorized, a refurbisher of Microsoft, a registered
refurbisher.
The next slide, which is already up, is to indicate
that we, Touch the Future, are available to help anybody
interested in being a refurbisher or looking at a business
model to be able to get into the reuse or recycling aspect.
The various levels of consulting that we do are
business process analysis to see if it's even viable for
you to do something like this; the project management to be
able to manage the project to build out a ReBoot type of
entity; the purchasing on how to purchase the products that
are being required; and also probably the most important is
the risk management involved in the risk of building out a
refurbishment process and a refurbishment group.
ReBoot itself has a turnkey process. It's all
documented. It's managed. And it can be built out in a
fairly quick time frame for someone to become a ReBoot -- a
licensed ReBoot recycler -- excuse me -- refurbisher.
The consulting we provide also has advantages by
reducing the cost, reducing risk, and improving the quality
and the outcomes associated with it. So that's kind of my
pitch to let you know that we know what we're doing.
A couple of little indices here.
One -- I'm just going to kind of go on two little
areas that we had. One, we were approached, I guess two
years ago now, by a group who said, "We like the ReBoot
process, but we really want to use it for training because
we want to use it for getting jobs for people and things
like that."
So we dealt with that group. We actually did a
turnkey ReBoot process with them. So we've already done
this before. And that ReBoot process ended up, and is
still running, at Roosevelt Warm Springs. And they use it
to train students.
And I think they're getting into the Veteran's
Administration now on veterans coming back from Iraq and
training them on how to deal with computers, how to
refurbish computers and so forth so they can go out and get
a job.
The other aspect, to look at the low end of it, we
were approached by a group in another state, and they were
saying, "We like the ReBoot process. How much would it
take? What would we be able to accomplish?" and so forth.
And after going through the consulting aspect on
it, they saw that their best bet was to build out an
end-of-life technology side and do recycling first to build
out a revenue stream so they can do ReBoot later and
actually do the turnkey system later.
So anyway, this slide that we're on right now just
introduces myself and indicates the main office location in
Tucker, Georgia, and our South Carolina branch in Anderson.
And also, if anyone needs to contact us to make sure that
they have our contact telephone to do that. And to
remember that Touch the Future is a Tools For Life grantee
and a United Way-funded organization.
If there's any questions -- let's see. I have one
up from Joy. It says, "Roosevelt Warm Springs Institute
operates in Georgia. VR training" -- oh, I see. So she's
just indicating information to you.
If there's any other questions, you can ask them
now or forever hold your peace. Thank you.
JOY KNISKERN: Thank you, Bob. That was excellent.
Very helpful information.
And I know that also we've had groups from other
assistive-technology-act-funded states who've come to
ReBoot for some consulting there and had nothing but rave
reviews as to what happened.
I wanted to mention something before we go on. And
if anybody has any questions, feel free to raise your hand;
push your voice button, your microphone; or key in the chat
area.
I wanted to recognize somebody who was on earlier,
not sure if she's with us right now. But Yvette Marrin
with the National Cristina Foundation.
Frankly, I don't think that we would be here with
ReBoot if she hadn't worked with us in the very early days
and since then.
She is executive director of the National Cristina
Foundation, which really does a lot in terms of working
with state and territories and partners who are interested
in looking at computer refurbishing program and does an
excellent job of bridging corporate partners to groups at
the state and local levels. So, Yvette, we're really
pleased that you could join us today.
And with that, we're going to jump over to Lindsey
Bean-Kampwerth. She's going to be talking about planning a
quality refurbishing program. And Lindsey, take it away.
(Audio skipped ...) look at sound. I'll mention
that Lindsey is a licensed occupational therapist with her
Ph.D. and joined us several years ago to do her final
internship.
She's worked with us since then on a part-time
basis looking at quality indicators for AT reuse. And the
information that she's going to present are some of the
quality indicators that you can find for refurbishing
programs on our website at www.passitoncenter.org.
And so Lindsey has indicated that she has tested
this with all the same equipment. She's going to log out
and log back on to join us there.
And if you haven't had a chance to go to that
website, there are many quality indicators that have been
developed through a very interactive process with many
people from many parts of the country looking at -- if you
were starting any kind of refurbishing program: durable
medical equipment, assistive technology, computers -- what
are some of the key things that you want to look at to be
sure, if you're going to do it, you do it right.
So with that, I think I'll pull off the mic and
just see if Lindsey is ready to join us.
Liz, do you have anything that you'd like to share?
LIZ PERSAUD: While Lindsey is getting back on, I
just wanted to say that Charlotte Young from Augusta VR
asked a question earlier. I just wanted to read it out
loud and read Bob's answer.
She asked, "What is the cost of the refurbished
computer?"
And Bob answered that and said, "It depends on the
specs, but you can contact ReBoot directly to find out
because there is a range to the cost."
So again, if you have any questions about the cost
of computers or laptops, you can contact ReBoot directly.
I'm going to jump off the mic for just a second and
see if Lindsey can try to get sound going. And if not,
Trish is going to be our lifesaver and jump on and do
Lindsey's part.
So, Lindsey, I'm releasing the mic now.
TRISH REDMON: Liz, can you hear me? Great.
I'm Trish Redmon with the Pass It On Center, and
I'm really sorry Lindsey's sound is not working today. We
always do a sound check, but from day to day we find that
sometimes we don't have the same results with the same
circumstances.
So Liz, if you'll go to the next slide, we'll talk
about some additional factors in planning a refurbishing
program.
Bob did a wonderful job in touching on the major
factors to consider: Who's your audience, and what scale
or scope of program are you attempting.
But when you start a reuse program, first you need
to consider, you know, who do you want these computers for,
and what are your options for meeting that need.
So if you have the target group, you might attempt
to locate funding to purchase new computers for those
customers. But we know what a tough assignment that is in
this economy. Or you might contract with an existing
program such as ReBoot that's already refurbishing programs
and have them meet your needs if they have the capacity to
do so. Or you may decide that it really is appropriate to
establish a refurbishing program.
And Bob discussed some of the things to consider
and the value of getting good advice and consulting in
advance.
Next, Liz.
When you're thinking of refurbishing computers, in
addition to the business factors, there are a number of
indicators of quality for AT reuse, in addition to those
that apply to all reuse programs, that have specific
implications for programs that refurbish computers.
And we're going to walk through a few of those, and
you'll see the things Bob touched on plus a couple more
issues.
For example, device tracking. We have a quality
indicator that says you must keep track of your inventory
of available devices.
And that means that you need to have some way of
uniquely identifying every donated device. You need to be
able to determine the availability of devices by different
types. You need to assign, for your business purposes and
for reporting purposes in many cases, a value for each
device for your inventory.
You want the ability to track every donated device
in case they might be subject to some kind of recall or
consumer warning.
And you want to be able to identify the recipients
of those devices. And Bob touched on, without violating
HIPAA, there are things we want to do to be able to track
our customers.
So that's one indicator of quality.
Another is the evaluation of those devices. And we
want a written procedure to value those devices for
inventory and reporting. So you need some consistent way.
And some people decide, well, it will be X percent
of the original manufacturer's suggested retail price, or
maybe you've chosen to depreciate it and try to look at
market value. But whatever you use, it needs to be a
consistent system.
When you evaluate donated devices, first of all you
need a policy and procedure for what will you accept. And
Bob mentioned that 75 percent of the devices that they have
donated are not useful for their purposes.
So it's really helpful for ReBoot because they have
an established program for end-of-life recycling to gain
revenue from that process.
But if you don't, you may not want to accept things
that don't meet your needs. So you may want to specify
exactly what types of devices you will accept for donation
if you can't handle the end-of-life processing.
And when you get to the donation -- next, Liz.
When you get to the evaluation of those devices,
you want to consider the things Bob mentioned: How much
refurbishing is required? What will it cost to bring that
device up to the specifications that you require?
Maybe more than its worth. So at that point you
have an end-of-life situation. And you need to either
break it down for component parts or simply recycle it to
an environmentally approved recycler.
Next, please.
Bob touched on the need for protecting the donor's
privacy by removing the personal data on every hard drive.
And this requires that you have properly trained
technicians and that you have the appropriate software
tools to remove data in a manner that's consistent with the
Department of Defense standard. And that standard has
become the industry-accepted standard for what really
removes data.
And for those of you who aren't familiar with this,
we think if we delete everything on a hard drive it's not
there. But any really good computer technician can recover
the data that you deleted fairly easily if you really
haven't done a wipe of that hard drive to totally remove
it.
And if the volume warrants in a refurbishing
program, then there's equipment available to allow you to
wipe the disk of multiple computers simultaneously. But
that would be an added cost for you.
One of the really critical indicators of quality is
software licensing. You need to have written policies and
procedures for the loading of licensed software to ensure
that you're complying with current law and that you aren't
violating that software publisher's licensing agreements,
which can leave you subject to enormous fines if you do
that.
So as Bob mentioned, it's important to become an
authorized refurbisher, usually with Microsoft, so that you
have access to that. Otherwise you can only reload the
software that came with that same computer.
You'll want to be able to track the purchase and
assignment of licenses and, as I mentioned, reload only
original software. And that's only if you have everything
you're supposed to have when they donate it.
So Bob's pointing out that the DOD wipe is seven
layers deep on that hard drive to make sure that there's no
data left.
So let's talk for a couple of minutes about what
you do before you start a program.
If you want to start a refurbishing program, you're
starting a new reuse program basically. Maybe you have an
existing reuse program with some infrastructure.
But first you want to write a strategic plan, which
means you're touching on the things Bob mentioned in
developing mission and objectives.
And then you'll need a business plan. And maybe
you want to do a business plan for one or more options
about how you'll start this and how you'll perform the
task. And when you've done that, then you can make a
decision based on the best available analysis.
Now, we have models for both strategic planning and
business planning in our knowledge base on the Pass It On
Center website.
So if we want to start small -- next slide, please,
Liz.
If we want to start small, Bob mentioned that you
need at least one certified technician. You're still going
to need some setup with adequate power, lighting, and
appropriate environmental controls, the specialized tools
that person will need for software for data removal, safety
gear. And so you have some basic investment.
You need to think about the scope of the program
and the group you want to serve, the eligibility
requirements, and the kind of device you'll provide.
How will you staff? Most programs are -- Liz, has
a question up.
Bob says, "We cannot reuse a customer operating
system. We must reload original media or be a Microsoft"
authorized reseller -- "registered refurbisher." I'm
sorry.
So as we're looking at planning then, even if
you're going to staff this program with volunteers, one of
those volunteers needs to have the technical qualifications
to do the refurbishing.
And we know, from some experience with one of our
demonstration projects, that it's really easy to burn out
volunteers. We had a major program actually doing computer
refurbishing very successfully. But they got into a
situation of major burnout because they were totally
dependent on volunteer workers.
So most of our programs have some combination of
volunteers, contractors, or employees to keep a program
operating.
Bob mentioned tracking outcomes and planning for
sustainability. And planning for sustainability is both
planning for who will do the work and how you will fund the
program.
Next, please. We can go forward one more, Liz.
The financial considerations we touched on earlier.
Start-up costs are significant even if you're small. You
still need facility's equipment. You still need to recruit
staff. You still need to develop policies and procedures.
And once in business, you have the ongoing expenses
for that facility; the utilities and insurance; staffing;
and the acquisition of devices, whether they're donated or
you have some other agreement, but you have to acquire
spare parts and licenses.
So if you want to jump start an initial
refurbishing program -- next, Liz -- you can identify some
resources to facilitate that.
And one way is to see if you can find an
individual, a company, or an existing program that will
donate consulting services or provide them at a very
reasonable cost.
You certainly could talk to the folks at ReBoot and
see if their turnkey process is the most viable,
cost-effective solution for you, because it might be.
Or you may be able to partner with local resources.
Maybe you have a technical school that really trains
computer technicians who would work with you in your
refurbishing program. Or maybe you have a local company
that would donate some of those services part time for you
to refurbish computers for your program.
But most of all, as Bob mentioned -- and I want to
reenforce that -- you need an identified source for used
computers. Whether it's companies, organizations, schools,
or a broad spectrum of individuals, you are going to need
that source of computers to refurbish.
And Bob's pointed out that ReBoot can even help a
small start-up through consulting. There's no
underestimating the value of experience when you're
starting a new enterprise.
So for some quick additional resources, you can
look in our knowledge base to find the business-planning
tools in the organization module. In our program
operations module you'll see a lot of information on
refurbishing computers. And you'll see some information
from ReBoot there.
And you can always contact ReBoot directly. And
you saw their numbers earlier, but their website is
www.touchthefuture.us.
And some other helpful sites that may help you in
terms of background about things and information about
acquiring software technology would be www.techsoup.com and
www.openoffice.com.
Let's go on, Liz.
So we're just encouraging you, before you get
started, read the indicators of quality for AT reuse and
see which ones apply to a computer-refurbishing program.
Take a look at the business-planning guides, and use those
as models to help you get started in the process.
Any questions? If not, I'm going to turn this back
to Liz, who's going to encourage you to evaluate us.
LIZ PERSAUD: Great job, Trish. Thank you so much
for stepping in.
Wonderful job, everyone. Thank you, Joy. Thank
you, Bob.
We truly hope that this information has been
helpful. Again, we appreciate your time. We appreciate
you taking time out of your busy day -- we know how
precious your time is -- to join us today.
Before y'all step away, we do want to encourage you
to evaluate us. We apologize for a lot of the technical
difficulties. But as you know, that kind of comes with the
territory when you're in the field of technology. So thank
you, as always, for sticking with us.
But here's our link for our SurveyMonkey
evaluation. This really helps us to offer those CEUs and
CRCs.
So I'm going to actually post that in the chat
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and paste it into your browser to fill out that survey. It
takes you less than five minutes. And thank you for doing
that and giving us the feedback that we need.
Here is the contact information for our speakers
today. Joy's e-mail is joy@passitoncenter.org. Lindsey is
lindsey@passitoncenter.org. And then you can contact Bob
and Joanne, the folks at Touch the Future and ReBoot,
through info@touchthefuture.us.
So again, thank you everyone for your time. We do
hope this information was helpful to you. Know that you
can get the webinar archive of this on our webinar page in
just a few weeks. And until next time, just get in touch
with us if you have any questions.
Thanks again, everyone. Bye-bye.